hard pretzels evolved only from the lye pretzel. else, i left the section “german-speaking countries” the way you put it. Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 07:41, 3 September 2017 (UTC). Any more than that and your pretzels will have a metallic taste. since this statement neiter applies to the lye pretzel nor to the various pretzel … The resulting dough is then shaped into a well-known … --92.225.37.166 (talk) 20:12, 19 May 2011 (UTC), The history section contains the passage: First of all you remove historical images, and you have no idea how difficult to find ANY image about pretzels in art history. Tagging is not a substitute for getting consensus. Place each pretzel one by one into a boiling soda water bath for ten seconds. This is not the German Wikipedia. changes will need to be explained. the info you removed explains the relationship between the pretzel types and is necessary to understand the article. Can anyone do better? This easy Homemade Pretzel Bread recipe is a simple bread dough consisting of warm milk, yeast, brown sugar, butter, salt and flour. this statement is also wrong because it only applies to lye pretzels and pretzel sticks; even for these there are different ingredients, e. g. malt and no sugar. What makes this pretzel bread, is that before baking, … Now I had an excuse to indulge in the salty doughiness of soft pretzels, but have it disguised as the bread … It is necessary to distinguish the pastries or breads made in the shape of a pretzel (and made from a whole variety of doughs and a whole variety of glazes and toppings) from the crispy pretzels as a snack. They made little bun loaves and then split and grilled … http://www.auntieannes.com/AboutUs/CompanyHistory.aspx Second, the image with pretzels you keep removing is spectacular and good, a good image made by a sadly missed editor, who really was a genius with images. It may be useful to define the universal attributes of all types of pretzel first (baked, flour, yeast dough, etc), before starting to explain variations. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. if others did that for other countries, wikipedia would become too small. i have clearly explained what is wrong with it and will not repeat myself. 76.173.142.15 (talk) 04:33, 10 April 2014 (UTC), This lengthy article somehow manages to avoid the question, other than one passing mention of yeast. To fill out this checklist, please add the following code to the template call: restoring lead of article that was unnecessarily deleted: Where are these high-price morsels being sold, and what's so special about them, are they made of rolled gold or something? then there is the lye pretzel which connects the two. If it can be a possible solution that one can put them at the end of the article in a gallery, like *Pretzels in Art*, but it is kinda hiding them to the end of the article, where nobody can see then or find them. That is why I changed it to "the three-looped knot shape", which is what I assume you meant by a "pretzel loop", a phrase with literally no meaning to me. i can add to the list of mistakes in the lead that sourced information in the lead is taken out of context and therefore misleading and wrong. it’s possible that one or the other escaped my attention but your statement “time and time again” is unwarranted. but, of course, as i wrote before, we know that is not the real issue, is it? German names for pretzels belong there, not here. Hemiauchenia I reverted your removal of content cited to Atlas Obscura. Pretzilla soft pretzel buns and snacks are craft baked to be light and airy. 1) I see no new information in the picture "Pretzels in Alsace". Pretzels are either soft or hard. indeed, pretzels are either soft or hard. Pretzels are a popular snack food all over the world. that gets an immediate revert. Sundar1 (talk) 19:37, 31 December 2009 (UTC), three images in the lead are a problem….. they are ugly and crowd out the rest of the article. Lye pretzels are popular in southern Germany, Alsace, Austria, and German-speaking Switzerland as a variety of bread, a side dish or a snack, and come in many local varieties. 3) "Brezelkrieg" surely is not a (public) holiday in any German state. I am not twisting any guidelines; as I see it, you are choosing to ignore them. The fact is, there are many more sections that need to be added to this article; for example, "Types of pretzels". that's why i introduced the list in the lead which killervogel absolutely objects to for formal reasons. Spudlace (talk) 22:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC), | b1 = , | b2 = , | b3 = , | b4 = , | b5 = , | b6 = . That's the requirement, regardless of what you see its purpose to be. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. The gallery in this article is absolutely superfluous.. You also continue to use the word "fest" in an unacceptable way.. Are pretzel bread and pretzel buns a fairly new phenomenon? Homemade Pretzel Buns - The story, the history and the recipe! It should either be fleshed out as a detailed analysis of the regional differences or integrated into relevant sections and eliminated. "Images should ideally be spread evenly… here the magic word is “ideally”. one cannot write about germany and the u.s. and completely ignore other countries. but where is the connection to the medieval pretzels? This an interesting illustration. I have attempted time and time again to fix these errors but you continue to re-insert them. You can't walk away on a bombshell like that. As of February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. b.t.w., i think “important points in american pretzel history” is a joke. I find that attitude unconstructive to building an encyclopedia because it demonstrates an unwillingness to work cooperatively. Cheers. Are pretzels generally made with yeast, baking soda, or are they unleavened? This homemade pretzel bread recipe is quite simple to make with its few ingredients! Sprinkle the flour evenly over the mixture, rather than dumping it all in … This pretzel is eaten on New Years Day (morning) in Germany and originates from the southern area of Swabia. Absolutely love this bread. Would be a great pretzel/bread stick recipe to do with kids as it doesn't have any extra steps (like boiling before … If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with, If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with, This page was last edited on 9 February 2021, at 17:48. Might you add the following to Pennsylvania Milestones: 1988: Anne Beiler bought a market stand in a Downingtown, Pa. farmer’s market and began selling the Original Pretzel. factories are only interesting for certain accomplishments in which case i kept them in the article. To describe it in the text or start a new article "Pretzels in art" - you need references and what I am telling you is just that there are no pretzels in art ON COMMONS: And, I have the definite feeling that I had this discussion before, somewhere, somehow exactly in this way. [citation needed], This sentence doesn't even make sense. —cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 09:07, 17 October 2015 (UTC). there is nothing ugly about the pictures and they aren’t crowding anything. Considered an iconic symbol of Germany, the pretzel is a type of traditional baked good that is made by combining flour, salt, malt, yeast, and water. i find it very hard to respond to this kind of argumentation that has little to do with content which should primarily be discussed. I made the following changes: When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know. all I have done is restore sourced information that was previously there, as well as keeping some of the information that you inserted in a less-wordy fashion and removing information that is not relevant to the lead as a summary of the article. --Iustinus (talk) 08:33, 21 August 2015 (UTC). Our signature taste marries the bold and savory notes of traditional pretzels with a hint of sweetness. Pretzel is a Longsword and one of the Meito. From dialectal German Pretzel, a variant of standard Brezel, from Old High German brezzila, from Medieval Latin brachiatellum, diminutive of Latin bracchium (“arm”); named for the appearance of folded arms. i will leave that up to you, too. "i’m afraid you will have to live with these shortcomings" - I absolutely, "i more consider this section as an invitation to other readers to add info on the pretzel in their country." They show different themes and different types. The pretzel dough is made from wheat flour, water, sugar, and yeast, sprinkled with coarse salt. only the soft lye pretzel is considered a variety of bread and used for a side dish or a snack. "but your statement “time and time again” is unwarranted" - It is not; I have had to make identical reversals of punctuation and spelling errors a minimum of three times. People couldn’t believe that this delicious bread … hard pretzels have no immediate relationship with the medievel ones which were only soft and not glazed. There is a citation on the Nehalennia page talking about this [[1]]. So there's no need to change them and add more images creating overcrowding. You haven't explained how it's encyclopedic. You haven't been willing to compromise on anything; it appears that you just want what you want. It's also indiscriminate information, prohibited per. b) "Brezel Krieg" is a wrong spelling, because, in the German language, compositions of two words are constucted in a way that both words which are composed are amalgamated into one word: Instead of "Brezel Krieg", "Brezelkrieg" would be the only correct spelling. Another possible source for this is Hilda Ellis Davidson, an actual academic who drew a link between bread offerings to Nehalennia (not Sirona), Dutch duivekater bread, and sacrificial substitution. "in my last edit i did not use the word “fest”." Now that the content disputes have been mostly resolved, the dispute revolves around wording in the lead, the inclusion of what I believe to be indiscriminate information that's redundant to the interlanguage links, and the relative encyclopedic worth of the photo gallery. Apart from that, I had always been under the impression that the phrase "tying the knot" as relates to marriage came from the old tradition of handfasting. after all this discussion it is very surprising to read that killervogel agrees with gigs' comments. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. That doesn’t mean it never existed, but it cannot have been important, certainly not wide spread and restricted to certain occasions. I think the lead is a little confusing and difficult to understand. But removing those very few images that I found during five years looking for them, I think it is a pity. New: Lancaster, Pa. is also the headquarters of Auntie Anne’s Pretzels, which turned 25 in February 2013. we happen to be dealing with a term that refers to at least two different things: a looped pastry and a pretzel stick. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_F._Beiler. It should be checked against other reliable sources but it would be a good idea to leave the dubious tags in place for now. there are many wikipedia articles with numbered or bulleted lists and the reason for an article to be “featured” certainly is not because it doesn’t have such a list in the lead. OUR HISTORY: PHILLY BORN AND BREAD. what about all the other pretzel kinds? If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. Otherwise these images can be viewed on Commons in commons:Category:Pretzels in art. Add the flour and the butter. Our town is known as Pretzel City—even our local sports teams are known as The Pretzels. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. Bread Machine Pretzels are soft and chewy just like vendor style pretzels. This is so basic that it seems to be assumed and never explained. (Of course, anyone will understand you, if you ask for a "Brez*", indepently what you use for "*" 83.97.72.14 (talk) 20:52, 8 November 2011 (UTC). Where on earth does this idea originally come from?? Unless you can provide an encyclopedic rationale for why it. If there is an extra paragraph for history it makes sence to put historical or background info there, especially if the background is disputed or unknown. While they’re … Some thought that breaking a pretzel was like breaking a wish-bone; Breaking the pretzel ceremoniously would make a wish come true. The quality of the picture is equally good. The first pretzels were baked as a soft, squishy bread, like the soft pretzels of today. The tagging on this article is excessive. Pretzels also were hung on trees to cause them to bear well. In the Czech Republic, the pretzel is known as preclík, in Finland as viipurinrinkeli, in Slovakia, it is called praclík. Everywhere inclusive all bakeries it is written as "Breze" or "Brezn". Another photo shows the same type of pretzels sold on a Christmas market. the sources talk about different kinds of pretzels and recipes, salty ones and sweet ones. only one of the three types is used as such, not the lye pretzels and not the hard pretzels. if this was the german wikipedia this statement could be considered correct because the germans differ between pretzels and pretzel sticks and have different words. The "Pretzels in European countries" section is, as I said, non-encyclopedic. That is why there is a link to Commons. Obviously you didn't read what you commented on here, because I just said that there isn't overcrowding now, and you're claiming that I did. Pretzel salt is a coarse large-grained white salt of uniform size with no additives. Dave 09:15, 22 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davesilvan (talk • contribs), Sorry for my english, I am from Bavaria. Pretzels are used in southern German-speaking areas in certain customs and Christian holidays. else, why not write an own article on the delicious simts and their background?Sundar1 (talk) 05:31, 28 May 2010 (UTC). i do not agree with your interpretation of wikipedia or whatever other rules, although i did have in mind to change the list into prose which easily can be done. no use to keep pointing your fingers at them. i re-introduced the three pictures in the lead because they cover the three basic types of pretzels. 2) There is a picture "Fish lunch by Jacob Foppens van Es, before 1640" in the history section. i more consider this section as an invitation to other readers to add info on the pretzel in their country. active dry yeast B.. 3 Cups bread flour (i Had to Use Regular, Didn't Have bread flour on hand)C.. 3 Tbs. Most of the information that has been inserted in the lead needs to be in later sections that don't exist yet anyway. 184.149.39.148 (talk) 16:04, 9 July 2018 (UTC), An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Kid boy chow. Drop 1-2 pretzel rolls into the boiling water for 20-30 seconds. Many of the statements about pretzels do not apply to all these kinds. If found absolutely necessary for the article, it should go under “miscellaneous”. Why do we need two more flemish paintings from the 17th century, all in the same painting style, in the same article? The “wish-bone custom” is totally unknown in Europe (at least continental Europe). The crossguard is made of a round cracker biscuit, … Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. Gigs (talk) 20:43, 4 January 2010 (UTC), Hope this helps Gigs (talk) 21:31, 6 January 2010 (UTC), Pretzels were first made by a monk form france in 162 A.D. he made them to look like childrens hands crossed praying and they called them little rewards.At first there were only soft pretzels the hard crispy one were made by accident a cook that was maning the stove fell asleep then they were hard and they thought they were ruinded but crispy hard pretzels were delicious now are made purposly and thats the story of pretzels begining.And the people who hate pretzels and never tried them you should try them they are delicious trust me i am not lieing so try them and think about how they were made and try making your own old time pretzel —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikidude36 (talk • contribs) 00:57, 13 February 2010 (UTC), turkish simits and the related pastries in the balkans are not pretzels, simply because they don't have the distinctive shape. I have just modified 2 external links on Pretzel. (by extension) Anything that is knotted, twisted, or tangled. The "pretzel loop" means absolutely nothing without a context of what a pretzel loop is. I've looked at the Atlas Obscura article used here and this very well may be controversial and not the kind of thing we should use Atlas Obscura for. this ideal very often cannot be fulfilled and always is second in line to factuality, clarity and logic and, of course, where a pic makes sense." so i had in mind to add one picture with all three types in the near future. Can you add some additional facts about Auntie Anne's starting in PA? you did drop a lot of info which i put back. [1] However, you only seem concerned that your "proposed version" is what is used, rather than working toward consensus. The earliest reference I can find so far is this one, from 1959. a gallery was considered absolutely inappropriate. bread Machine Pretzels Prep: 20 minutes, Cook: 15 minutes. Pretzels originated in Europe, possibly among monks in the Early Middle Ages. [4][5][6][7] as long as this is not done the differentiation is necessary in the lead and that’s best done with a list. 1 cup milk. If you have referenced prose to add, please do so. Bring baking soda and 9 cups of water to a boil in a large pot. Reify-tech (talk) 14:47, 27 August 2014 (UTC), With all respect I don't agree and before once more you removed several images that were in article for ages will you discuss WHY you want to remove them. Pretzel baking has most firmly taken root in the region of Franconia and adjoining Upper German-speaking areas, and pretzels have been an integral part of German baking traditions for centuries. We also see how the painters treated them in they (realistic) painting style. whatever is in the lead must apply to all pretzes and to all countries. The texture turned out excellent even though I just used all purpose flour (not bread flour). it will be no sacrilege to keep it in. Initially no information was deleted at all. Please take a moment to review my edit. http://www.auntieannes.com/AboutUs/CompanyHistory/25-birthday.aspx This is also more informative, as it shows the tradition of selling pretzels on Christmas markets. In the absence of anything else at most the article should say something like "one modern writer claims that ...." --2607:FEA8:D5DF:F945:2459:C1EC:C71B:4617 (talk) 11:18, 21 September 2019 (UTC), Hear! putting more pics into the article so far was an absolute no-no. There is a longer rise time to … I've had pretzel bread for sandwiches in a little coffee shop in the mountains of N Georgia. It's different than the regular pretzels as it isn't coated in lye or baking soda - rather it's a rich, fluffy and slightly sweet Remove from water to a parchment lined baking sheet. I would suspect that the writer of the cited article heard this, misunderstood, and put the name of the wrong Celtic goddess. They’re a hand-held, baked bread that’s usually shaped in a twisted knot and loved for its salty flavor and unique crunch.