Also, how much memory and SSD should I get? This was built within the past week. Facebook. Sie können auch das gleiche: In ihren kompakten Gehäusen stecken kleine Einchip-Computer (Intel NUC), die für die Verwendung mit der intelligenten Mediensoftware optimiert wurden. For the 8th gen NUC’s fanless cases are already available and are Roon ROCK supported. Any info from the Roon Team or any guidance from the community would be highly appreciated. I carefully read the Roon Rock knowledge base and the new model is not mentioned. Our Favorite Technology & Audio Forums. Why not just buy a supported model? In the other thread I linked above, @Katun rightly mentioned the KB was last updated before the 8th Gen NUC7i7DN* came on sale. That’s what Chris C. at Computer Audiophile built his ROCK on and that’s what @Henry_McLeod recommended. Download for PC. Frankly, I’m getting a bit fed up with Roon. Who knows when will be both available for the 10th gen NUC’s. True. The price decreased slightly (nothing interesting here). Zudem fühlt sich Roon Rock auch an wie ein normales Gerät an. This doesn’t sound like a NUC performance issue. I run Roon ROCK on Intel NUC and it has performed without fault from day 1. Replacing a UpTone modified Mac mini from 2011 that never broke any sweat running Roon. Share this: Twitter; Facebook; Related. The NUC7i7BNH is a bit underpowered for Rock, IMO. Good point, this is an important question! But now the picture is clearer, once the NUC is in idle, there is no significant difference between the two CPU’s. I also don’t think there is any reason for a Linear PSU, but to each there own on that one. I upgraded the BIOS on my NUC from 053 to 055. Well… someone says bits are bits. I’d have to actually go back to the previous NUC releases, which you could search as well, to check my memory; but, I think that information about a new NUC version begins to be discussed after the NUC has been officially released. I’ve been thinking that the NUC10 is a bit expensive, but the NUC8 prices seem to be inflated to nearly the same cost, probably due to the apparent shortage. Angeboten wird „Roon Core Kit auf Intel Nuc i7 Basis - fertig installiert und betriebsbereit - 232 GB SSD eingebaut“ von --- Diverse / Andere --- als Gebrauchtgerät aus der Kategorie „Digital Streamer“ bei audio-markt.de - dem Online-Marktplatz für High-End. Zusätzlich bietet Roon Labs auch die passende Hardware an, den Roon Nucleus. ROCK wird von Roon Labs kostenlos zum Download angeboten. Mostly, I just wanted to make sure the NUC10 will actually work with ROCK in case I decide to go that route. The price will be around $2,000 for the i7 model. http://www.akasa.com.tw/update.php?tpl=product/product.detail.tpl&no=181&type=Fanless%20Chassis&type_sub=Fanless%20NUC&model=A-NUC39-A1B. Slowest processing speed was 9x with a DSD file, but generally it runs around 18x, which means I still have enough computing reserves…. Does anyone know what the process might be? Whether those can have impact on sound quality or not is another endless debate. If you need a fanless case, the NUC8i5BEH is a better way to go. Oct 10, 2020 6 0 1 59. That is my next decision, which linear power supply is best for the ROCK/NUC? Don’t know which SSD would be the best… Bob_Dostie (BobD) December 16, 2019, 12:50am #12. I decided to buy a NUC, and on my short-list the 8i3 and 8i7 were the two candidates. The set-up of these two machines is almost the same: ROON Rock is in fact a stripped down linux version of ROON. Roon ist als "Multimedia" kategorisiert. I also purchased a $100 power supply that may not be necessary (I think it is). You could do this, but it’s pretty cost-inefficient and power hungry and involves putting fans near endpoints unless you spend even more $ to put the NUCs in fanless enclosures. OK, I do not use CPU intensive DSD conversions. Given I have additional reasons for considering the 10th Gen i7 NUC, I would like to know what the timing meet be regarding testing and certification. Qty: Add to Cart. Notice the Single Thread Rating NUC7 i3 vs NUC10 i3 (100% vs 195%) this is almost double the performance at the same TDP of 15 Watt. I ran the HDMI 2.0 firmware upgrade program which indicated that the NUC already had the latest (final) version of the HDMI firmware. OK, future-proof, for sure. I can’t wait for them to get out, I’ll definitely buy one. Das Inserat mit der Nummer 1751956847 endet am 11.03.2021 um 15:29 Uhr. I doubt my gear (or maybe my ears) would notice the difference. I’m not too worried about the fanless case. First issue will be the bios boot settings and no efi setting. If it’s too noisy, I’ll move it into the basement where I’ve got a makeshift computer rack. After spending several (this usually means plenty of) hours finding answers to my questions I ordered a NUC8i5BEH2. I installed Windows 10 and applied updates. Roon Rock, - is the brains behind the operation and manages your music collection, it builds an interconnected digital library using enhanced information from Roon. Davon ausgenommen ist lediglich die Möglichkeit, das jeweilige Roon-Remote-Gerät auch als Roon Core zu konfigurieren. Remember, I want this to last and be able to handle future Roon features and developments. Der Roon-Client ist natürlich vorinstalliert und das BIOS der Rechner wurde vom Hersteller so optimiert, dass via USB angestöpselte D/A-Wandler schwungvoll und audiophil musizieren. Roon would need that power in a foreseeable future. Auf die Installation von ROCK bin ich gespannt. (Do not deny anything before trying, this is my philosophy.) After that I’m guessing it should be pretty similar to any other Nuc. But now I’m OK When in idle, the NUC consume not more than 4-5 Wh, and under load with the used DSP settings it goes up just to 6-7 Wh. There is a reasonably affordable fanless case that supports this i7 NUC model, so would make a nice solution. Wir bauen einen Roon Core aus einem Intel NUC selber Roon selber erklärt es, Intel hilft mit Update Anleitungen, Kollegen geben gute Tipps, was braucht es da noch den Bonsaimacho? Bei mir läuft Roon auf einem Intel NUC (es gibt bei Roon eine Liste mit getesteten NUC's) in der "NUC Rock" Version. But now, I don’t know what to do. Bei Einsatz auf einem NAS muss man auf genügend RAM und Rechenleistung achten. Im Gegensatz zum Roon Nucleus wird beim PrimeMini eine Business-Variante … I carefully read the Roon Rock knowledge base and the new model is not mentioned nor is there any warning that the old model is not quite powerful enough. Why/how do you use the USB-Ethernet adaptor? Just a guess : March-April 2020. So, I’m leaning towards the best performance I can get on a dedicated platform, but I can probably wait a bit to see if prices get better or the NUC8 comes back in stock. If you don’t then wait. Der NUC (next unit computer von Intel) wurde von ROON zur Entwicklung der Software genutzt und ist von der Hardware her der perfekte ROON-CORE-SERVER – denn er passt als „Deckel genau auf diesen Topf“. Regarding memory it depends on your library size? Anbindung an die Synology per NFS. Download for macOS. The CPU clock speed of the new line will be significantly slower, and as a result they come with lower TDP (based on some tests). Intel did a great job–4 cores/8 threads, but also great single-threaded performance (up to 4.2GHz IIRC), and all of that in a 15W TDP for the CPU. Performance results for the CPU’s are already available on cpubenchmark.net . Can anyone characterize the probability of ROCK working on the 10th Gen? Immer mehr Empfangsgeräte (Roon Bridge) haben die Musikverwaltungssoftware integriert. ROON ran fine on my Win 10 PC’s but I got peed off forgetting and doing a reboot/update/install and losing my tunes playing, especially a feature update that took ages, so I now run it on a NUC running ROCK, solid and stable plus less niggles than running on a QNAP NAS. Some of these parts are not necessary for Roon ROCK. I’ve read that, one or more, Moore’s law is catching up with Intel and they have shifted focus from performance to power savings as a result. Not to get off topic, but this really annoys me. Other fan-less NUCS support? Any news / updates / advice on the NUC10i7FNH? Or would the NUC7i7BNH still be a better option? Network/Ethernet > NUC/ROCK USB > USB DAC > PRE/AMP > Speakers. Jan 2021, 09:02: StreamFidelity (Beitrag #2402) schrieb: Ein wenig vermisse ich es direkt über das iPAD oder iPhone die Lautstärke zu steuern. Would be good if that happens and price of the “old stock” would go down, but as I can see in several webshops some of the 8’th gen NUCs are already not on stock. Maybe @Danny can advise. It's identical to the systems below, but is sold by a dealer and comes ready to use. I want the best NUC/ROCK so that I don’t have to compromise with future updates, upgrades, more rooms/zones and DSP. Keep in mind the Nucleus uses the exact same Intel hardware as found in Nucs and uses the exact same Linux audio sub system found in Roon ROCK. However I don’t expect anything serious. How Roon works; Features; Nucleus; Partners; Menu. It must be said that I do not use ROCK but Ubuntu on which I run roon servers and other applications and that’s why it’s tempting; Currently all these are running on a poor but great NUC pole; Why not just buy a supported model? nor is there any warning that the old model is not quite powerful enough. Roon Labs has pre-selected two Intel NUC based systems on which people should install ROCK. The only reason why I din’t mention it was the pricing. When will be they supported by Roon R.O.C.K.? Habe mir heute einen Intel NUC 10 mit i5, 8GB DDR4 und einer 250GB SSD bestellt. Without knowing what the ‘future enhancements and developments’ are your question is impossible to answer, I would buy the best fully supported NUC available which I believe is the NUC7i7BNH, the 8th gen will work but I don’t believe ROCK has been adjusted for them yet? S. Sonnie New Member. Who knows when will be both available for the 10th gen NUC’s. Of course 8i5 is an option as well. There is no difference at all in SQ, and that is way Roon make no claims about it. StereJo Inventar #2404 erstellt: 30. I just wanted to make sure the NUC10 will actually work with ROCK. jt301 489 Posted July 7, 2020. jt301. There are also commercial ethernet->USB bridges like the microRendu, which are very turnkey + cost less than that NUC7i7DN per zone. I purchased a NUC7i7BNH and it works well, but I’m getting dropouts when I play 192khz MQA Tidal content along with DSP EQ. I would stick to ARM-based endpoints like Raspberry Pi if you are just looking for network->usb bridging and want to roll something yourself. Hopefully Danny can confirm before you or anyone else purchases a NUC7i7DN*. I’ve just spent a lot of money on an inadequate solution (MQA 192 does not work properly), all because I needed a wired connection since Roon Wifi support stinks. Der eigentliche Entwickler dieser kostenlosen Software ist Roon Labs LLC. I will look into the Teddy Pardo power supply. 1 = Core NUC/ROCK with Hard Drive Connected to Router/Switch But I doubt that Roon would need that power in a foreseeable future. sometimes a fanless case is used in order to decrease electrical noise and reduce vibrations. Let me share my first impressions with NUC8i5BEH2 config (250GB Samsung EVO Plus NVMe M.2 SSD, 1 pcs 8GB 2400 MHz CL17 Apacer RAM module). 500+ post club; Full Member; 489 1,127 posts; Location: NSW; Country: Australia; Share; Posted July 7, 2020. Thanks for you response in advance. Die Roon Remote App funktioniert auf dem Tablet und Smartphone und bietet alle Möglichkeiten, die auch die Roon Control App bietet. Power output: 19V, up to 3.5A; Mains Supply: 110-120V or 220-240V; Dimensions: 24x16x6 cm; Cable included: Silver-plated copper with 5.5mm outer, 2.5mm inner barrel diameter connector; More Views. Explore the world of music as you listen, precisely tailored to your tastes. That depends on library size, DSP Needs, and number of simultaneous endpoints active. Ingredient No 2: Roon Bridge. First LAN is used for the connection to the wifi router and second LAN - to the roon endpoint by audiophile ethernet cable. Sie können Roon 1.2 kostenlos von unserem Software-Portal herunterladen. Eine wichtige Eigenschaft des Roon-Nucleus ist, dass er … But it seems the situation is changing. I re-installed the Roon ROCK OS, and the problem still exists with the HDMI connection to the Denon AVR. Get Roon installed on your local machine, mobile apps and audio devices. I’m not too worried about the fanless case. Note: For those who don't want anything to do with this aspect of ROCK, Roon Labs offers a product called Nucleus. So I followed the recommendations in the Knowledge Base: ROCK For Small to Medium Sized Libraries (actually it’s an Intel NUC 10 in the “old” Knowledge Base). Ist der PrimeMini sogar die bessere Roon Nucleus Alternative? Den Roon Nucleus gibt es in einer Intel Core i3 und Core i7 Variante. do you really need the power of this? The NUC 10 Performance works at a TDP of 15 Watt, which suggest a much cooler operation running ROON. We have assigned 2 cores / 4 threads and 8GB RAM to this Ubuntu installation. My Roon ROCK project. Just curious. the NUC10i7FNH will be a good choice, but currently: NUC8i7BEH2: Based on my experience (Hungary ). Das neueste Setup-Paket nimmt 75.5 MB Speicherplatz ein. Hardware. It’s passive and works great for Roon ROCK I am using one now. if you want a good fanless case, you still have to wait some time. Damit kann ich vieles parallel laufen lassen. How Roon works; Features; Nucleus; Partners; Try it FREE. I asked Danny if ‘work’ means officially supported by Roon (since ‘works’ and ‘supported’ don’t always mean the same thing with ROCK) but haven’t gotten a reply. Pre-Disclosure: I’m an active, paying Roon Labs subscriber (annual subscription) ... own system software that was designed to run on the Intel NUC so you generally might want to build a system around the NUC. Should we wait for 10th gen or is it better to stay with 8th gen? would be up 7/24 , power consumption matters. I might use this NUC for other functions in the future, so I paid a little more for memory, storage, cooling, antennas, etc. Even with an 8th gen i3 I would be OK. What is currently the best NUC for ROCK? Dank genügend Ressourcen und Platz sehr stabil. They both use … Looking to design a high quality multi-room/zone system around Roon that is intuitive, consistent, simple and stable. To be partly fair to the Knowledge Base it lists NUC7i7XXX as supported. Network/Ethernet > NUC/ROCK USB > USB Hard Drive(s), The End Point ROCKs in each room would connect: I want the best NUC/ROCK so that I don’t have to compromise with future updates, upgrades, more rooms/zones and DSP. Performance should be similar to the Nucleus i7. I’m sure if you raise it with @support they’ll look into it and sort it out. not really needed but… one never knows. In any case, if I do move it into the basement, I’ll likely switch the endpoint to a Pi feeding my receiver. I’m satisfied with the change… All in all it was a good decision to invest in a NUC. Good luck for the next couple of weeks to find a good NUC8 deal soon, or a confirmation about NUC10 compatibility. I just ordered the Cirrus7 8i5. We will show you how to make a usb-stick, which biosettings are important and how to finally start setting up a library . The NUC runs relatively quiet, but I will go fanless once my Akasa Turing case will arrive (expected around mid January), As I mentioned earlier this was my biggest concern. You could easily do this for $600 and not be missing anything. I will install 8 GB Apacer RAM and a Samsung 860 EVO or 960 EVO or 970 EVO plus SSD. It was easier than expected to install ROCK and migrate the existing Roon database. You can browse and play music with Roon apps on all your devices whether its a Mac, Windows, iPad, iPhone, and Android devices. I’ve just spent a lot of money on an inadequate solution (MQA 192 does not work properly). This is roughly comparable to the Core i5 of the NUC. Instead of logging in, click "Restore A Backup" in the lower-left hand corner; Use Roon's file browser to locate the `/RoonBackups` folder you created in Step 1; If you created a USB backup, it should be connected to your NUC and you can navigate to it Ich verstehe ehrlich nicht ganz, warum Roon Labs selber nur SMB empfiehlt. One of my biggest concern was the TDP of CPU i5-8259U vs i5-10210U because my ROCK will run 7/24. My music library is not too big and I don’t use CPU hungry DSP features. Beste Ergebnisse erzielte der Intel NUC mit Roon Rock, recht stabil und via Webseite auch leicht zu warten. Forums. Wait for a realistic NUC10i7FNH offer, if you can! Der PrimeMini hat sich so bereits bei vielen audiophilen Kunden als kosteneffiziente Roon Nucleus Alternative bewährt. I have a 64MB and 1.2 TB of music. Roon Core, Roon Bridge, Roon Remote – so sieht ein typisches Set-up im Musikkosmos „Roon“ aus. The Nucleus + model sells for €2799,- and is build with the motherboard/cpu of the NUC7 i7. Hopefully there will be some good deals before/after NUC10 launch. Stable, dead quiet and cool as a chilled cucumber. OR. This seems to be the i7 models, but which one is perfect for ROCK? http://kb.roonlabs.com/Roon_Optimized_Core_Kit. If you NEED one now, then get it. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled. So this includes NUC7i7DN*. Incredible performance/watt. I’ve been looking at making the jump to ROCK on NUC, but it looks like the NUC8i7BEH is sold out everywhere (and I can’t get a clear read on whether it’s likely to come back). 3 Link to post Share on other sites. Basis für den Roon Nucleus bilden Intel NUC Platinen. The NUC7i7BNH seems to be the one. 4-8 = End Point NUC/ROCKs with USB DACs Connected to Router/Switch, The Core ROCK would connect: Get it on PC, Mac, Linux, Intel NUC, Android & iOS. I will install 8 GB Apacer RAM and a Samsung 860 EVO or 960 EVO or 970 EVO plus SSD. Add to Wishlist | Add to Compare; Specifications. Liegt dein Roon Core jedoch auf einem Server, reicht dein Smartphone oder Tablet zur Steuerung der Welt von Roon. Easy to set up and forget about. Dieses PC-Programm funktioniert mit 64-BitVersion von Windows 7/10. den Roon Core beeinträchtigen weg. Oct 13, 2020 #1 I currently have a laptop running Roon Core at the moment, but looking to go the server route. Freue mich wie ein Kleinkind! D.h. auf dem NUC läuft Roon exclusiv mit einem optimiertes OS (Linux). The primary reason I’m looking at NUC is that the roon core I’m running on Win10 (Devil’s Canyon processor) has been flakey (losing local audio devices and can’t find them until I restart the core, Qobuz login fails after every computer restart) and end points consistently take several seconds to connect. Thread starter Sonnie; Start date Oct 13, 2020; Home. Der Roon Core läuft im Docker. Both Gen8 and Gen10 offer better performance. I wish I knew about the NUC7i7DN when I bought mine. Continuation of thread below - Uniticore vs Roon Nuc DIY vs Roon Nucleus - Naim Audio - Community I’ve got a UnitiCore and a DIY - Roon server based on intel i5Nuc running Roon Rock… We have therefore installed Ubuntu on our Unraid server (RAID array, SSD cache, 10-core Xeon (E-2690V2) with 48GB RAM) in a Virtual Machine. As my R.O.C.K. I built two of these, one for a friend who decided to go a different route. Remember, I want this to last and be able to handle future Roon features and developments. Damit fällt das Thema Windows und andere Apps, die ggf. From what I understand the 10 makes most sense as i7 model. Agreed. Not to get off topic, but this really annoys me. Cirrus7 8i7 here. And timing is important as well, I don’t want to wait month for my new roon server, this is why I would appreciate Roon Team’s feedback about support of the new NUC’s. Roon SOftware downloads. During the stream we will install Roon Rock on an Intel NUC. Yet another computer that would connect to your DAC and receive its music stream from Roon Server. NFS ist bei mir performanter und ich konnte keine Einschränkung bemerken. The NUC8i7BEH was sold out in many shops, but currently available again. I will continue to use my laptop as the controller, but I’ve … So I asked Danny for confirmation, but never got a reply. Nun ja, ich will mich natürlich selber loben, denn die Methode, mal auszuprobieren, wovon man da erzählt, bewährt sich, zumindest meiner bescheidenen Meinung nach, doch immer wieder. Die beliebteste Version von Roon ist 1.2. The 9s and 10s should be driving down the price of the 7s and 8s. Also, how much memory and SSD should I get? Surely, but if the Nucleus+ NUC7 can handle most cases then you have to have extreme needs to use the NUC10. Live installation – Roon Rock . Well, sometimes a fanless case is used in order to decrease electrical noise and reduce vibrations. the Intel Frost Canyon model Nucs are passive off the shelf, look up the NUC10i5FNK. Versuche mit lokalen Cores auf Windows und Mac habe ich wieder abgebrochen. NUC - Roon Rock or Win10 Pro. Das ROCK-Betriebssystem ist für diese Hardware/Platinen optimiert. Will see…. Immerse yourself in photos, bios, reviews, credits, lyrics, tour dates, and more… Start with the music you know, and then let Roon connect it with millions of high-resolution tracks available on TIDAL and Qobuz. And importantly Christmas is coming, I will have time to play with my new server. Start your FREE trial. Thanks for the recommendation! Ugh. But it is better to invest a bit more to be somewhat future proof. I’m very very confident that’s not a NUC7i7BNH horse-power related issue. Downloadable software for Roon App, Roon Server, Roon Remote and Roon Bridge. Availability: In stock. TeddyNUC - Power Supply for Intel NUC (Roon Rock, Roon Nucleus, Asrock Beebox etc) $399.00. All DSP runs on the core, so you are not getting any extra scalability out of this arrangement. I have that model and it works well, I believe the Roon Nucleus + uses it but I am not certain. For the 8th gen NUC’s fanless cases are already available and are Roon ROCK supported. [yes on Dawson Canyon], NUC7i7DN…(works for me without any problems with the ROCK; the eighth generation is more energy-efficient; in BIOS settings: Low Power Enabled and Turbo Boost disabled and in Roon DSP upsampling settings: all into DSD256 the processor speed is about x2.4, the fan is very quiet), USB Ethernet adapter for second LAN (for example. The NUC8i5BEH is still a better option from price/performance point of view, if you don’t need huge computing power. Aktuell läuft mein Core auf einer Linux-VM meines Heimservers. Computer Based Music Server Forum . I think Rooon Team will deal with this issue, but it is better to see than hope. At the time I’ve planned my ROCK NUC my library was looking like this:. Since this is your first time launching ROCK, you will be asked to log-in when you connect. I wish I knew about the NUC7i7DN when I bought mine. But based on my experience it’s not fully true. I really won’t need that much power for ROCK since I use Chord M-Scaler as upsampler. I have over 50 GB free on the SSD. But not on any price. Für um die 300,- € geht es mit einem i3-Board schon los. Sowohl von … Somit läuft das für NUC-Platinen optimierte ROCK auf einem PrimeMini genau gleich gut wie auf dem deutlich teureren Roon Nucleus. Don’t know which SSD would be the best…. I don’t think there is any reason to use 128MB SSD. Now that Intel officially published the 10th generation of their NUC line, I’m curious what can we expect. At the time of my post the price difference between best prices for 8i3 and 8i5 was around 50 %, and only 15-20 % between the 8i5 and 8i7. Coming Thursday – 23-07-2020 – we will start at 10:00 with a Live Roon Rock installation tutorial. This is a fully loaded, turn key, just plug in, hookup to Ethernet and load your music for a full ROON experience, NUC 10 i7 12 core running ROCK (Roon's proprietary operating system) with a 1TB internal SSD for music, 250 GB SSD for ROON Server, and 64 GB ram. I don’t expect a price decrease in case of the older models, rather the 10’th gen will be slightly more expensive. It’s what I’ve been using for my personal system for the past few months, too, and it has been trouble-free. The 9s and 10s should be driving down the price of the 7s and 8s. 10 hours ago, MattyW said: Mmmmm, jussmade the switch to Roon this week. With Roon, you’ll rediscover old favorites and find new music you love. A post was split to a new topic: Mac Mono Upgrade Question, Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled, New Dawson Canyon NUCS supported? Running ROCK on a dedicated server gives me more balanced sound, better sound stage, more details. 8gb will cover most bases 16gb will cover everything except very very large libraries say >50k Albums. If so, are there any limitations on how many End Point ROCKs and/or how much DSP can be used? Can the Intel NUC7i7DN running supported Roon ROCK be used as a Core and as End Points connected to a network in a multi-room/zone system with USB DACs? I do push the DSP and upsampling though so wanted more CPU than a QNAP can offer. NUC8i3BEH; 8 … I have ROCK running on this for about a year now. Now, I’m getting dropouts that I never got with my wireless connect, but the iOs Remote works. Such configuration is the best for SQ. This seems to be the i7 models, but which one is perfect for ROCK? Nice to have @brian confirm support though. Ich habe hier einen NUC 10 mit i5 unter Ubuntu 20.04 mit Docker drauf laufen. I did considered NUC10 but reasons for going 10 doesn’t make sense for ROCK considering the Nucleus is still on NUC7 platform(?). But I would wait for confirmed Roon support, just to have the ‘warm and fuzzy’ feeling inside.